Revit 2017 Font Fix Workflow

Earlier I wrote an article on how Revit 2017 fonts have changed and can cause the text to grow and shift. I wanted to share with everyone my process of figuring out what has changed so I know what to fix in the families, legends, schedules, and text. Our client, RNL Design, wanted me to start going through this process of upgrading their families and templates. Hopefully this helps you to know where to start looking and saves you some time.

The first step is upgrading your family library; this can be a tedious process if you don’t have a tool to automate the steps. I’m happy to say I have a tool for you that is free and you can download here.

Just a heads up, I changed the file extension from “exe” to “txt” so hopefully your virus software doesn’t interrupt the download. Once you download it just rename it back to “exe” and you are good to go. Just start a dummy project and pick on the new tab on the ribbon and follow the dialogue box, this is from our developer that helps us with developing our Pro-Revit tools.

The next item is taking one of your projects and print a sheet set from 2016 and 2017. Make sure that you use the same print settings so the PDF’s are exactly the same, and the names have a prefix of 2016 and 2017.

The magic tool that helped me know where the problems are between the two print sets is Bluebeam. Bluebeam has an excellent tool called “overlay”, it also has a tool called “compare” but I soon realized that “overlay” does a much better job, visually.

Make sure that you select all of the pages, for myself I used a dark green for 2016 print set and red for the 2017 print set. Once done, Bluebeam will create a new PDF that show the two print sets merged and overlaid. Here you can start seeing the differences with the color, much better than the “compare” tool that use clouds to show where the changes are.

You can see how the schedules and legends have changed, including the titleblock information. As I worked through the print set nothing was hard to fix, it was a tedious process of jumping back to the actual Revit 2017 project to see how much to adjust and then jumping into the Revit 2017 Template to make the final adjustment.

RNL Design is a multiple discipline firm so I have multiple projects and multiple templates that I have to go through. Again, I wanted to follow up from my last post and show you this is something that shouldn’t be taken lightly. Hopefully this also shows my worries of a client wanting to upgrade mid-stream a project from Revit 2016 or earlier, to Revit 2017.

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Autodesk FormIteering Workshop


Have been asked to teach at the Revit Technology Conference at the Autodesk FormIteering Workshop, can’t wait to spread the knowledge! LINK

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Ready for Revit 2017 Text Change?

Everyone has been wanting a new text editor in Revit and we have finally gotten one. But have you really looked at what it is going to do to your template or a upgraded project? If not, you had better start looking…

It isn’t just about text, this includes all of the text/labels in your schedules, title-blocks, tags, grids, levels, and on and on… Below is a comparison using a client’s template and seeing how the text is now shifted on one of their project notes.

This next image is showing how the schedule is now longer then it was before. So this might cause some heartburn where the schedule use to fit but now in 2017 it doesn’t.

This list continues, think about the word wrapping in some of your tags or your title-blocks. What use to fit, now doesn’t, and you will need to go back and fix the families.

Which leads me to next bigger picture, some of our clients have “version” based folders for all of the templates and families. Others do not do this and have a base version for all of their templates and families (i.e. Revit 2014) and only upgrade every 2 to 3 releases. Version 2017 is probably going to force that hand and they will need to do a version folder for 2017.

The last item to think about, quite a few of our clients will upgrade a project mid-stream to take advantage of the new speed or the new features of Revit. Will this happen for 2017, I don’t think so, this is going to create a new situation for everyone where no one will be upgrading their projects mid-stream to 2017 without a bunch of headaches or fixing…

So what happened? Below is a snip from the help system from Revit 2017 to better explain what happened.

“The method for measuring text size is changed so that the Text Size parameter more accurately represents the height of a capital letter (similar to AutoCAD). Previously, Revit measured the size of text from the font baseline to the ascender line. Since most characters do not extend to the ascender line, physically measuring the font may not have produced expected results.

The size of text now reports using the cap height, which measures from the baseline to the top of a capital letter M as seen in the image below. This change affects all text in Revit. After upgrading a model, please review all views and sheets to verify the changes to your text instances.

Note: Be sure that the proper fonts are installed when opening an upgraded model. Substituted fonts further will change text due to the font sizing changes.

The text measurement changes and text editor enhancements introduce some new restrictions on text.

The editor can support font sizes from 1 point to 1638 points. For Arial, these font sizes translate to approximately 0.1″ to 16.3″ or 0.3 mm to 413.6 mm.

The text note also has a maximum width of 84″ or 2135 mm.”

So here is what I found with Revit 2017 text/labels when upgrading from 2016:

  • All text will get larger when it comes to the font height and width
  • Depending on your font type, your text might grow from 2% to 20% when it comes to the height and width.
  • All of your text will shift down.
  • The text wrapping will need to be addressed with some of the text notes, tags, title-blocks, etc.
  • New version folder for templates and families if you haven’t done it in the past.
  • No mid-stream upgrade of a project going from 2016 (or below) to Revit 2017.
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